Through Our Ancestors’ Eyes
Beryl House, transcript and audio part 1
Beryl House Remembers
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Beryl House, an anecdote about Jack Hargreaves
Through Our Ancestors’ Eyes
Interview with Beryl House at her home in East End on 16th May 2016 by Jo Ivey
Duration 1:32
Jack Hargreaves’ Story.
Beryl: Umm, Jack Hargreaves came here one day, and I looked out and I could see him leaning over the gate, looking into the yard and Bill was milking out there, and he – Bill put his head out round and he saw Jack there, so he came across and he said, “Umm”, you know, “What can I – Can I help you?”, you know.
And Jack said “I was wanting to know what the price of New Forest ponies are?”
And Bill looked up and he said, “Are you buying or selling?” (Beryl laughs).
He (Jack) said, “That’s a good question!” And he said, “No, I’m buying”; so then Bill upped the price a little bit!
JI: Because Jack Hargreaves used to live up at Monkshorn didn’t he?
Beryl: That’s right, yes we went up and had supper with them one night, and the whole, like, the family; but it wasn’t home, it wasn’t home. The old farm house was great big open fire… No, it didn’t look like home. It didn’t mean a lot to us really, but it was very nice of them asking us.
Clare Bates
May 2016
Beryl House, Transcript 1, Part 1
An interview with Beryl House at her home in East End on 16th May 2016
by Jo Ivey
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Beryl House Part 1 Duration 6:52
JI: I start off by saying “This is Jo Ivey and I’m talking to Mrs Beryl House at her home Ravensbeck Farm and it’s the 16th May, 2016”.
Beryl: Yes.
JI: Could you just tell me a bit about yourself? You are a commoner, a family of commoners but you are also farmers aren’t you?
Beryl: Yes. Yes. My whole family are interested in the, you know, in the Forest. Umm, [name withheld], she has got her own little side line that she does, of course, she had ponies but unfortunately she’s never had much luck with any of her ponies, something dreadful will always happen to them but never the less she still loves the Forest and the ponies and she still likes to walk the forest and my grandchildren, they’re also very interested in the forest.
JI: And of course [name withheld], is quite into her horses.
Beryl: Oh, absolutely; and of course [name withheld], her daughter, is as well. Umm. Yes it’s been a wonderful sort of life really. We look back now and say, did I used to do that? You know, you run the home and you also was active out on the farm; I mean if you saw a load of bales coming up you knew you had to put down whatever you were doing and go out and help unload the bales. Mind you it was good fun; there were so many of us, that you had a good old natter and it was lovely. Whereas now I mean, people want paying for everything they do; but in those days people were paid by coming to help, most of them had sort of umm, well little small holdings and what have you and they all wanted their hay cut and everything, and so Bill would do that and then they’d come down and help. It was a good way of life really.
JI: And [name withheld], runs the farm now, doesn’t he?
Beryl: Yes, yes.
JI: With [name withheld], and [name withheld], or is it just?
Beryl: No [name withheld], he’s, umm, he works for [name withheld], down at Keyhaven, yes he’s, umm….. and [name withheld], he is jack of all trades. He’s here there and everywhere. He’s milking for Mr [name withheld], down the farm here every other week, then he’s got different little jobs that he goes; different places that he’s going to, and what have you. No, he’s very, very busy and he’s, I think he’s more like Bill is, was, you know. No, he’s a good lad.
JI: We are going to look at your photographs and scan them. Could you tell me about this one, this first photograph? (BH001 and photo 2, A4BH002)
Beryl: Well this was down at Warren Farm. [name withheld],
JI: Which one is he?
Beryl: That’s [name withheld].
JI: With the flat hat in the back?
Beryl: Yes, and that’s Bill.
JI: Oh! At the right hand end; my goodness.
Beryl: And these are all the young [name withheld], umm: I think that’s [name withheld].
JI: Next to Bill
Beryl: Yes, and then there’s [name withheld].
JI: Oh. Little boy, yes.
Beryl: [name withheld].
JI: Next to him.
Beryl: [name withheld].
JI: Oh right.
Beryl: And in the back ground there’s another little one peeping through the hay rack… let’s see that’s one, two, three, four. No that’s [name withheld].
JI: [name withheld]’s the larger of the two in the middle?
Beryl: Yes that’s [name withheld] and that’s [name withheld].
JI: Right, the smaller one of the two in the middle?
Beryl: Is [name withheld]. That is [name withheld]; and that is [name withheld].
JI: Right, on the left hand end?
Beryl: Yes, and looking through the hayrack is [name withheld]; and this man is [name withheld].
JI: Oh, right.
Beryl: Unfortunately, they are all gone now. That was Bill’s mate.
JI: Where are they? Where is the place?
Beryl: Warren, Warren Farm.
JI: Oh, it’s at Warren Farm.
Beryl: Yes.
JI: So what are they doing with the ponies?
Beryl: Well they’re – I think this was some of the first ones that were exported abroad and I think I’m right in saying, it was Belgium they were going… I could be wrong, but I’ve got a feeling it was.
JI: So they’re preparing them to load them for export?
Beryl: Yes I take it someone come and took the picture of them all before they went. As I say, there’s nobody about now that can, sort of, tell you.
JI: Well maybe some of the [name withheld], lads might remember?
Beryl: They might do, yes. I’m not sure, about – I mean [name withheld] might, Bill’s sister – you know [name withheld], don’t you?
JI: Yes.
Beryl: Umm, she would probably know. I don’t, but that’s as much as I know about that picture.
JI: Except the dog in the front.
Beryl: Oh yes, the little dog! That was one of [name withheld], your –
JI: Mother-in-law.
Beryl: Mother-in-law, and that little dog – actually she was only four and a half when she died and she used to go everywhere with Bill, on the tractor, and when he was out riding she’d come and she’d get tired and then he’d bring her back on the saddle. Oh, she was a lovely little dog, lovely little dog.
JI: What was she called?
Beryl: Lassie. Yes. And she died of a liver problem. She was only four and a half and she was a lovely little dog, lovely little dog. As I said, I remember [name withheld] had them for sale for five pound each, and I had five pound from my eggs and I said to my father, who was Bob Gulliver, I said to him, “Will you go down and get me a puppy?”, I said; and he took a shopping bag down and my five pound and he come back with Lassie. (Laughs) She was a lovely little dog.
Beryl House, Transcript 1, Part 2
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Beryl House Part 2 Duration 6:02
JI: We will pass that over to Clare now. And while she does that, we’ll have a look at the next one. (BH003)
Beryl: I’ve got a job to see that one.
JI: The scanner will see it.
Beryl: Yeah.
JI: What’s that one then?
Beryl: That one is a collection of New Forest ponies that were for a Beaulieu Road sale, I would think somewhere around the nineteen thirties; in that year I would think, umm, because they used to have the sale on the opposite side to where they have it now, and they used to collect them in the – apparently there was a station that had a little bit of ground there – and they used to collect there and they used to take them – I suppose there were no conveyances then – but they used to tie them on alongside of another pony and take them up to Beaulieu Road and they’d sell them and I take that at the back there, I think that is –
JI: The right hand side, yes.
Beryl: I think that is Hubert Forward.
JI: Right.
Beryl: And I imagine this to be either the auctioneers, but I… I can see them better on that one.
JI: We’ll have a look at the other one in a minute then, maybe see it better.
Beryl: Yes I’ve got a feeling,
JI: We can blow it up and –
Beryl: Yes I got a feeling that is, that could be Bill’s father there.
JI: Right next to building?
Beryl: Yes. And then there’s Fred Kitcher who lived here at Bridge Farm. Um m I think that’s him there.
JI: Oh yes, near the middle there.
Beryl: Yes. I haven’t got my magnifying glass so I could see, but apparently the, you know, the station was there and whether some of the ponies were transferred into livestock, umm, carriages, I got a feeling that they were.
JI: A lot of them were taken away by rail weren’t they?
Beryl: Yes.
JI: Went up to the mines a lot of them.
Beryl: Yes, yes so that’s all I know about that one. (BH004 is presented)
Now this one – that is Hubert Forward.
JI: On the right hand end there?
Beryl: Yep, Yep. That, the next one, is Fred Kitcher. You see he’s got some tied on the side of his horses but I don’t know who these were, whether – whether they’re the station masters or auctioneers, I don’t know; but that is Bill’s father.
JI: Right in the middle there?
Beryl: Yes. And of course he’s got his tied on the side. I think sometimes they used to take a horse and cart and they’d tie so many on the back of the cart and take them up. ‘Course there wasn’t the conveyance that there is now, I mean most people got a horse box, but umm.
JI: And that was in the nineteen thirties?
Beryl: I would think it was in the nineteen thirties, because Bill was born in twenty-eight. And I mean, I – He couldn’t – I ‘spect he could remember, but he wasn’t involved, so he wouldn’t have been very old; but I reckon that’s about it.
JI: And was this the photograph that Jack Hargreaves took?
Beryl: He didn’t take it. He took it to Southern Television – this one – and he had it redeveloped, sort of; brought out much clearer. He was quite a, you know, he thought it was a lovely picture and it needed, sort of improving, like, and he brought it back with a frame, but I can’t find it, I don’t know where I put it. I know I let the Pony Breeders have it, but I’m sure it came back from there; I’ve got a feeling [name withheld] brought it back, but I can’t think where it went.
JI: Well we’ll see if we can locate it for you. But we can certainly try and do another one with modern technology. It’s a lovely photograph, isn’t it.
Beryl: Oh it’s a lovely picture. So, I’ve also got – I don’t know if you want to see a commoners wedding? (BH005).
(Laughs, various noises, microphone displaced)
JI: Yes…….When was this?
Beryl: This was last year (2015) August the fifteenth, and I thought it was such a lovely picture, it was up on a hill and looked right out over the Forest, she always wanted to get married in the Forest.
JI: And that’s [name withheld]?
Beryl: Yes. And that’s [name withheld]. And that’s their little boy down there.
JI: That is lovely isn’t it?
Beryl: Yes it’s a lovely picture.
(Recording continues briefly with non-relevant conversation)
Carole Cooper Part 1
An interview by Clare Bates with Carole Cooper at her home in Fawley on 25th May, 2016
Carole Cooper Part 1 Duration: 4:16
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CB: This is Clare Bates interviewing Carole Cooper at Fawley on 25th May 2016. Carole have you always been a commoner?
Carole: No I grew up in the Forest amongst commoners and have always ridden ponies and I grew up with Jean Henvest and Buffy were sort of my adopted parents if you like, but I actually started commoning with [name withheld] 25 years ago.
CB: And what’s your prefix?
Carole: Ashlett but we also have the Tilery prefix which we have still got and our daughter has the Kingsrew prefix
CB: And is your, your daughters a commoner?
Carole: Yes, she’s been a commoner now for I think about ten years in her own right.
CB: And what’s her name?
Carole: [name withheld]
CB: And what was your maiden name?
Carole: Trimm.
CB: Let’s have a look at this first photo. (CC001) What can you tell me about this photo?
Carole: Well, that is Lyndhurst Police Station as it was then, which is round by the entrance to the golf course which is where we have the pound. And that was the police station and this shows the Forest when it was unfenced, as you can see.
CB: So this where the car is, is the Bench side of the road and that’s the A 35.
Carole: That’s right and you can see how the cars used to drive onto the Forest wherever they wanted that’s just how it was with no fencing at all umm.
CB: And when do you think this may have been taken?
Carole: That would have been about – I’m gonna say sixty-three. It might have been sixty-two; it was one of those two years. And they fenced not long after. I mean, carnage on the roads then, before they fenced.
CB: We can see where they’ve just driven in off the road.
Carole: Yes, and I can remember a donkey being chopped in half by a motor bike (gasp) just there one day. The carnage on the roads then was because all the main roads, there was nothing fenced was there. I mean, in some ways it was lovely because we used to be able to ride our ponies everywhere. It was nothing to ride from Lyndhurst to Cadnam, it was easy ‘cause, but that’s how it was, you know, cars and caravans everywhere.
CB: Right now let’s have a look at this one. (CC002)
Carole: Oh that’s some of us old commoners having a get together; that’s [name withheld]
CB: Starting from the right –
Carole: [name withheld], [name withheld], Jean Henvest… Gwen…. oh, I can’t remember her surname. No. It’s Gwen. Can’t remember her sur-, Brian Thorne and Dorita Tillyer and I think that, I’m almost sure that’s at the New Forest Inn at Emery Down.
CB: And what was the meal in aid of?
Carole: It looks like Christmas doesn’t it?
CB: It does.
Carole: But we used to – in those days, the Commoners Defence used to have an annual dinner dance at the Lyndhurst Park Hotel. We all used to go as a gang; we were like a little gang then, in those days. We used to get together through our ponies and do everything and help each other, and obviously we had a Christmas meal together.
CB: And have you any idea when that might have been, what year?
Carole: That would have been right back in the beginning, so go back about twenty-three years: what date, what year would that be? If we come forward: eighty-nine, ninety; I would say about nineteen-ninety-one. Nothing on the back is there? I would say that would be about ninety-one.
CB: Okay, the third photograph. (CC003)
Carole: Well that’s Beat Cook.
CB: My grandmother.
Carole: And Shelia Napthine, [name withheld] mother and that’s at Lyndhurst racecourse drift, which is by the under pass and that’s the portable pound as it was then.
CB: When it was wooden?
Carole: Yes, and they were just watching the ponies come in and we hadn’t put the pound up yet; we just used to hold them in and then put the pound up I can’t tell you the date. Pat is waving her hand in the air. (Pat Dunning was helping with scanning)
Carole Cooper Part 2
Carole Cooper CH2 Duration: 4:20
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(CC004)
Carole: This is Ashurst drift, now the year would be about, when did you say Terry died?
(Pat Dunning replied 1991 I think)
Carole: This would have been ninety, nineteen-ninety, and its Ashurst drift when we had the pound in the corner by the back of Leonards. And that’s Terry Jones, [name withheld] –
CB: So Terry in the middle, Brian on the right –
Carole: Maurice Tillyer there.
CB: On the left?
Carole: On the left and –
CB: Don’t know who that is sat up on that (tree)?
Carole: No, I don’t.
CB: Just noticed them.
Carole: Your mum might recognise them. We had to build a pound. Building a pound, that’s what they were doing. We didn’t have all these posh pounds then. And all the vehicles used to come through and that’s what they’re doing coming through the farm.
CB: And actually park in [name withheld], Ashurst Farm
Carole: There’s somebody else there but I don’t know who that is either, with their back to us; your mum might know that person. So that’s that.
CB: What about this photograph here? (CC005)
Carole: This again would be about nineteen ninety-one. And this is at Balmer Lawn drift and its Agister Terry Jones and commoner [name withheld] and they are worming one of our mares and her name was Tiffany.
CB: So Terry is doing the worming?
Carole: Yes. Yes we sold her to [name withheld] not long after that. Not that you want to know that.
CB: Now this photograph? (CC006)
Carole: This, I can’t remember the year of this, oh hang on, nineteen ninety; yes and yet on the back it says ninety-eight. Sorry. And this is, they organised a special meet for commoners at Dennywood, so that’s [name withheld] on One eyed Charlie, can’t remember his registered name, and Carole Cooper on Tommy.
CB: And Tommy used to be owned by……
Carole: Tommy used to be owned by Agister Terry Jones. His registered name was Lakeclose Tender Thoughts, I bought him after Terry went, when he was twelve, the pony, and I had him until he was thirty-three.
CB: Oh wow.
Carole: And that one was one of [name withheld]’s.
CB: Charlie the chestnut?
Carole: Yes Blackwell … was it, I’m not going to say his registered name ‘cause I can’t remember it. He’d had an accident in the field and lost an eye but [name withheld] used to ride him colt hunting and you’d never have known and we sold him to in the end to James Young and he used him for riding for the disabled. Probably not really much interest to you.
(CC007)
Carole: The date of this was in the album (background noise) so I’m not going to pretend to know the date. This is the Commoners Defence stand at the New Forest Show, umm, I think we are going back to when [name withheld] was Chairman so…I don’t know, ninety-two, ninety-three.. That’s Raymond Bennett
CB: Let’s start on the end, so that little girl on the end.
Carole: That’s a customer
CB: Little girl, we don’t know who that is.
Carole: I think that might be Sophie Roberts
CB: Okay.
Carole: ‘Cause that’s Peggy Tillyer, Raymond Bennett, Anne Sevier, Jane Tillyer, Your mum.
CB: Pat Dunning.
Carole: Pat Dunning, Carole Cooper.
CB: And a hand of somebody else, but that’s what the old stand used to look like?
Carole: Yes. Was it your mum that used to do the….
CB: It was my grandmother
Carole: Your grandmother, sorry your grandmother used to make the tails.
CB: And sell them for a pound each
Carole: And one day – I don’t know if it was that show or the next show – I was in charge of the stand on my own and [information redacted] came in and just helped themselves to everything and I just couldn’t stop them.
CB: Oh!
Carole: You might not want that in there.
Carole Cooper Part 3
Carole Cooper CH3 Duration: 5:52
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Carole: (CC008) This, this is [name withheld] on – what’s the name of the bridge…umm, cause we’ve taken it out of the album….What’s the name of the bridge down to Woodfiddley Pound?
Voice: Oh… I don’t know.
Carole: This is [name withheld] standing on Bishops Dyke Bridge just be -, he was chairman of the CDA at this time and just before this was taken, they removed the bridge completely, so there was no access from Lovelyhill up here, down to Woodfiddley Pound. So there was no access normally for anybody, but on drift day it was also going to make a huge difference because we couldn’t drive the ponies down. So there was a lot of fuss and palaver in the papers and everything about this, and Commoners Defence worked really hard, um, and one day a dead foal was found in there where it tried to cross and had fallen in to this…because this is a very deep bog either side…and it had fallen in and drowned; and after that they built us a new bridge, so that’s the story behind that one.
And that’s [name withheld] looking victorious. (An inaudible exchange of comments)
CB: We are now going to move on to Carole’s photos that she has on her ipad that she is going to email over to me later. The first one is of?
(CC009digital)
Carole: This is a group of us when we were children on our ponies, in what is now Lyndhurst car park, which was then open forest; and the group left to right is me, Carole Cooper – I was Carole Trimm then; [name withheld], he became a saddler in Lyndhurst; Terry Jones who grew up to be a New Forest Agister; and [name withheld] she was then, I can’t remember what her name ended up as, but she became whipper-in to the buckhounds later on. And I think the interesting thing, there’s two interesting things about this photo: This open forest is now the carpark and it is a corner; if you could see the whole area you’d realise it’s a corner. And there was no organised drifts in those days so they used – often a couple of commoners would drive a mare and foal down into this corner, catch the foal and light a fire and brand it. It was ‘cause I lived just here it was interesting to watch. I think the other thing about this photo, that pony’s name is Dandini. Well Buffy Mansbridge in those days used to go all around to various sales buying ponies; used to go to Wimborne and Salisbury buying ponies and some of those ponies came in by train to Lyndhurst Road Station. (Now known as Ashurst Station.) And that pony did, and I can remember walking up from Lyndhurst – I mean, you can see I wasn’t very old, walking up from Lyndhurst with a rope halter to Lyndhurst Road and the train, he’d have a whole carriage to himself with a deep straw bed and they would open the door and I walked in and put a rope halter on him and led him out, jumped on his back and rode him back to Lyndhurst and that was how we did collect some of the ponies that Buffy bought. I know that that’s not strictly commoning but Buffy was a commoner and the other, some of the other ponies he bought, his son [name withheld] used to have to ride home, so [name withheld] would have to ride a pony home from Wimborne or Salisbury or –
CB: Golly
Carole: And that’s what he did. His father would buy a pony and he would say, “Right, take that pony home”, and ‘course that wasn’t to Ashurst, don’t forget, that would be to Longdown in those days –
CB: Of course
Carole: So it would be nothing for [name withheld] to bring a pony home from Wimborne or Salisbury to Longdown, but that one came in by train.
CB: How old do you think you were then?
Carole: I think, I was about – I reckon I was about ten or eleven, so that would have been about nineteen fifty-eight.
CB: And what were you doing that day. Why were you all there?
Carole: My dad took this photo, we were going for a ride but dad wanted to take a photo and so he just said, “Oh, I’ll just take a photo”. There was no particular reason, it was just before we went out on our ride, and off we all went.
CB: All beautifully turned out in your hacking jackets.
Carole: Well, yes, we were. That’s how it was in those days. (Laughs) Baggy jodhpurs, but Terry he was always so smart and so quiet; [name withheld] has never changed, you can see her there, she was always the naughty one.
CB: Ah, that’s lovely.
Carole: Yeah, her name was – that pony’s name was Honey. A forest stallion jumped in the field and got that pony in foal one day! Yeah, she wasn’t very happy.
CB: Okay, the second digital image we have got. (CC010digital) Could you tell me about that one?
Carole: That’s Brian Ingram when he was retiring as Head Agister, after I think it was forty years, wasn’t it? And it was 25th May 2009; and that’s Crabhat Pound which is his local pound, and they had a plaque done for him which was unveiled and there he is looking at that plaque. I think his face says it all really: very, quite sad and very thoughtful, isn’t it, his face.
CB: Yes, it is.
Carole: Yes. Yeah, it was the end of an era, wasn’t it, when Brian retired, you know.
CB: It was.
Carole: And that’s really all I can say about that one.
(CC011digital) Digital image of children and cattle on Lepe Beach.
Carole Cooper Remembers
Through Our Ancestors’ Eyes
Carole’s family have a history of commoning and she began commoning herself in the early 1990s. She recalls scenes and life from the New Forest in the late twentieth century, describing the former unfenced Forest landscape and the impact of uncontrolled vehicle access on New Forest animals. She talks about commoners’ gatherings and pony drifts.
Carole Cooper, transcript and audio part 1
Caroline Stride Remembers
Caroline comes from a commoning family who are also tenant farmers in the New Forest. Here, she looks back on life in the New Forest from the late nineteenth century through to the late twentieth century. Among other subjects, she discusses pony management, dairying and the First World War army camp for New Zealand troops at Norley Wood. Her three sons and their families proudly continue the commoning tradition.
Caroline Stride, Transcript 1, Part 1
An interview with Caroline Stride at her home, Blackwater Farm on February 2nd 2017
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Caroline Stride Trans 1 CH1 Duration: 3:58
CB: This is Clare Bates interviewing Caroline Stride at her home Blackwater Farm on February 2nd 2017. So Caroline, tell me a little bit about your Commoning history, your Commoning life.
Caroline: Well, I was born in the south of the Forest into a Commoning family; my father is Bob House, or Robert Frank House, and my mother being Peggy House, but nee Brown. They were tenant farmers on Beaulieu Estate as children and then I was born at Ravensbeck Farm, Rose Lane, East End. And when I was seven we moved to Cuffnells Farm at Bank, Lyndhurst and my father was a Commoner right through until probably the mid 1960s, early seventies, turning a few heifers out on the Forest – and ponies. His prefix at the time was Cuffnells.
When I married my husband Richard Stride I became Caroline Stride, obviously, and we moved to Bolderwood and really that’s when as a couple we really got into the swing of things and in our own right have been Commoners; and from there we’ve built up a herd of beef cows, suckler cows which ran out from Bolderwood and we were fortunate enough to live in a Forestry Commission property at the time and what money we did save up by working long hours at different times, bringing up a family, we bought land at Minstead.
Hence, we’ve got now about thirty acres of pasture land at Minstead which we exercise our Forest rights from, and over the time when we married in 1975 we had just a few calves that would be coming on and they built – were the foundation of our beef herd and gradually, gradually we built up to what we have today: a small suckler cow herd that run out from Acres Down area and we’ve got our farm here at Blackwater which is Penny Family Farm and we’ve got some buildings here we keep our young stock in and look after them.
During the summer our cattle are running out on the Forest; we have a number of New Forest ponies which run out under the prefix of Rushmoor, which is my husband and his brother John’s prefix, their brand being RJ and they, I can honestly say, that Richard and John have dedicated their life to the New Forest pony in their breeding and they are very successful in the Breed Show during the summer months and local native and moorland pony shows and the Forest Fed that they take great pride in having a hardy, tough New Forest pony that will run out there all the year round and we have consistently won the Championship with a mare called Rushmoor Rose Marie and she is really, really a cracking little Forest pony that runs out all the year round and is just a nice type of pony to have in our ownership. Which we’ve done really well with, so we’re really chuffed.